look at the clinton clip and the record of the clinton administration on guns in the 1990s. what happened in 2000, al gore lost the presidency. democrats freaked out because he lost the states clinton carried. kentucky, west virginia, missouri, tennessee, his home state. how many jokes did he suffer about losing his home state. he walked away saying we don't want to talk guns because we don't want to alienate them anymore. there's john kerry going goose hunting. 2000 was a turning point. was that about right? >> yeah, i agree. i think that, you know, people, these things become folklore. the one thing that is important to remember about this issue is that, you know, we did a -- we did work this summer on polling national right to life, nra members themselves. they buck the nra on these issues. they believe in common sense control and safety and a host of issues. there becomes this concern that there's a group. my point is it's not as powerful as people think it is. it's important to make that point. the nra went into conservative states and went after democratic senators and